Lineage and Reiki

[Michael]

Hey

Some folks claim that lineage is very important. They say that the closer you are to Mikao Usui, the stronger the energy.

Is that the truth, according to your opinion and experience, or is it just a sign of elitism?

love
Michael

[stef]

Hi Michael

Well.....in my opinion...... Reiki is Reiki however far down the line you are. If it is true that lineage is important then the energy would be getting weaker and weaker all the time, so surely that would mean that in years to come it would disappear altogether

The energy gets stronger the more you work with it regardless of how close you are to Mikao Usui.

So...in my opinion it's just another sign of elitism......apparently the energy is stronger the more you pay for it as well but that's another one of them stories that I don't believe because of my experiences

love
stef

[wynter]

Lineage

1 Usui Shiki
RyohoMikao
Usui (founder) – Chujiro Hayashi – Hawayo Takata – Paul Mitchell, Lorie Ellen Grant
– Katherine Galbraith – Cathy Chow – Makanui Souza – Donna McMillan, Petek
Kitamura – Yulius Eka Agung Seputra – Yudha Eka Putra


2 Original 7 Degree Reiki
Mikao Usui – Hawayo Takata – Barbara Weber Ray – Gery Samer – Agnes Bara-
Ridha - Simon Treselyam - Holli Blackwell – Yudha Eka Putra

3 Raku Kai Reiki
Mikao Usui (founder) – Chujiro Hayashi – Hawayo Takata - Arthur Robertson - Rick-
Emma Ferguson - Margarette Shelton - Simon Treselyan - Holli Blackwell - Yudha
Eka Putra

4 Komyo Reiki Kai
Mikao Usui (founder) – Chujiro Hayashi – Chiyoko Yamaguchi – Hyakuten Inammoto
(co-founder)– Francine Milford – Yudha Eka Putra

5 Lightarian Reiki
Christopher Jelm (founder) - Holli Blackwell - Yudha Eka Putra

6 Lightarian AngelLink
Christopher Jelm (founder) - Holli Blackwell - Yudha Eka Putra

7 Lightarian Rays
- Christopher Jelm (founder) - John Van Eeketen - Isabelle Faith - Didier C Judene -
Yulius Eka Agung Seputra – Yudha Eka Putra
- Christopher Jelm (founder) - Tom Rigler - Jane Berrigan - Allison Dahlhaus - Yudha
Eka Putra
– Christopher Jelm (founder) - Diane Shewmaker - Tom Rigler - Jane Berrigan -
Allison Dahlhaus - Yudha Eka Putra

8 Lightarian Source Link
- Christopher Jelm (founder) - Allison Dahlhaus - Yudha Eka Putra
– Christopher Jelm (founder) - John Van Eeketen - Isabelle Faith - Didier C Judene -
Yulius Eka Agung Seputra – Yudha Eka Putra


9 Blue Star Celestial Energy
Gary Jirauch - Victor Glanckopf - Dori McLean - Dawn Rothwell - Yudha Eka Putra

10 Shamballa Multi-Dimensonal Healing
Hari Das Melchizedek (founder) – Phylis Brook – Gevera Bert Piedmont – Yudha Eka
Putra

11 Kundalini Reiki + Booster
Ole Gabrielsen (founder) – Yulius Eka Agung Seputra – Yudha Eka Putra

12 Ama Deus Shamanic Healing
Guarani (founder) – Alberto Aguas (co-founder) – Victor Glanckopf – Arvey –
Aurelian Currin - Pamella Jordon – Kavita Praveen - Yulius Eka Agung Seputra –
Yudha Eka Putra

13 PRISMology
Adrien Amadeo (founder) – Yudha Eka Putra

14 Ra-Sheeba
Marylin Bretherick & Peter Johansen (founder) – Omar Antilla – Yudha Eka Putra

15 LightDream
Alla Sharkia (founder) – Yudha Eka Putra

16 Universal Rays
Dawn Rothwell (founder) - Yudha Eka Putra

17 Golden Triangle Healing System
James Purner (founder) - Linda Vaughan - Dawn Rothwell - Yudha Eka Putra

18 Lemurian Facilitator
Linda Vaughan/Skydancer (founder) – Yudha Eka Putra

19 Hexa Reiki
Mina Smolinski (founder) - Elisabeth Frunderhofer - Yudha Eka Putra

20 Imara Reiki
Barton Wendel (founder) - John van Eekelen - Stephen Womack - Allison Dahlhaus -
Jennifer Conolly - Sharron Brooks - Paul Crick - Dez Sellers - Yudha Eka Putra

21 Colours Of Angels
Stephen Lovering (founder) – Yudha Eka Putra

22 Angel Light Initiation
Alaya (founder) – Susan Beaummont – Stephen Lovering – Yudha Eka Putra

23 Akashic Records
Francine Milford – Zinaida Zeldina – Pamela Jordan – Stephen Lovering – Yudha Eka
Putra

24Kundalini Advanced
Ir. Agus Hanafi - Yudha Eka Putra




and I`m sure there are more....

[anand]

Dear wynter,
apologies for spelling yr name wrongly in yr POEMS Q&A. I see that Yudha Eka Putra is there in all the lineage. Can you please tell us more about Yudha. thanks.
Love anand

[wynter]

Hi anand,
YUDHA EKA PUTRA is a Master Teacher for Multi-Traditions :
including Usui Shiki Ryoho, Lightarian Rays, Lightarian SourceLink, Vajra Tummo Reiki, Shamballa Multidimensional Healing, Kundalini Advanced, etc.


e-mail :[/b] [e-mail]

website: www.vishnumurti.tk/


EDIT by Michael: Removed the man's address and phonenumber for security reasons. Not only goodhearted people come on the Internet. If there is any problem contacting YUDHA EKA PUTRA thru his website or mail, I'll provide his phonenumber to asking members by IM. Thank you.

[anand]

Thanks wynter

[wynter]

EDIT by Michael: Removed the man's address and phonenumber for security reasons. Not only goodhearted people come on the Internet. If there is any problem contacting YUDHA EKA PUTRA thru his website or mail, I'll provide his phonenumber to asking members by IM. Thank you.
[/quote]

Your right about Privacy/Security Michael........ I wasn`t thinking, as All His info is avaliable online to the public.
I certainly wouldn`t want My Own to be displayed.

[stef]

Hi Guys

I thought I'd bring this topic back up......in the name of research for my planned website ;D ;D

In a book that I have - which is full of lies ;D - There is a section about questions to ask a potential Reiki Master before requesting an attunement.....there are 'guidelines' for the answers they should give. Here is a great example of one of the questions......

What is your Historical Lineage? They should be able to trace back to Dr Usui and not be more than four, five or six in line from Takata.

Here's my views on this......again ;D ;D

Well.....in my opinion...... Reiki is Reiki however far down the line you are. If it is true that lineage is important then the energy would be getting weaker and weaker all the time, so surely that would mean that in years to come it would disappear altogether

The energy gets stronger the more you work with it regardless of how close you are to Mikao Usui.

So...in my opinion it's just another sign of elitism......apparently the energy is stronger the more you pay for it as well but that's another one of them stories that I don't believe because of my experiences

love
stef

Also, we are taught that Reiki is all around us, it is Universal Life Energy......It did not come from Mikao Usui.....and it definately did not come from Takata......so why should it matter how far away you are away from either of them in your lineage ;D ;D

Would love to hear some more views on this......for research purposes ;D ;D

love
stef

[Mickuk]

Hi Stef,

Some people consider lineage, your teaching line back to Usui, as being significant.

Your lineage really does not affect your Reiki ability, btw your lineage you are 7 up from Hawayo Takata ;D it is not important who attunes you because the reiki source does the attuning, it is the old teachers and their ways that are a problem today, i have said this before many times, at the end of the day people do reiki their own way and that is the way it should be, we don't need reiki clones anymore ;D ;D ;D

love,
mick

[Selene]

Stef

I agree with what has been said that lineage should not matter. My view is that Reiki is from the universe and not from anyone in particular, we are just the vessels for the engery to pass through.

BTW I know I do have a lineage chart from my Reiki Master........... but cant remember where I put it ;D

Blessings

Pam

[stef]

selene said:

BTW I know I do have a lineage chart from my Reiki Master........... but cant remember where I put it ;D

Blessings

Pam

Hi Pam

It's probably with your certificate ;D ;D ;D We all know how important a strong lineage and a certificate are if you want to channel Reiki ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

love
stef

[Selene]

You mean to say Stef if I cant find my lineage or certificate I cant channel Reiki ............. oh woe is me!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Love

Pam xx

[Michael]

my cranky opinion then...
lineage is needed only for the commercial aspects of Reiki. Somehow these people are trying to use lineage to verify the quality of their ability to channel energy. Ridiculous. An attunement connects you with the source (God/Goddess). In a perverted scenario an attunement connects you to the attuner... unfortunately there are so many examples of the latter

love
Michael

[Selene]

I agree Michael! I'm a member of another Reiki board though I no longer post on it. A while back I posted that I'd been attuned to Reiki via distance. One of the responses I got back was that I could not possibly be Reiki, that I was lazy in not finding a RMT to attune me in person. Their 2nd response what that being attuned via distance meant that my linage must be very dubious!!

My response to them was that I'd searched for a Master to do the attunements but after 5 times he'd cancelled the classes, often at the very last minute I felt that he was not the master for me. In the part of East Sussex where I live there are plenty of practitioners but not many teachers and my gut instinct was to then to try distance attunement. I was attuned by Martin Lee and although I had to pay for the manual and certificate (which I have found Stef ;D) I felt that the attunement was wondeful, I definately felt it and my first self treatment was wonderful!

I do not feel that I am any the less Reiki than people who have paid for in person attunements and that their linage may be 4 or 5 away from Usui Sensei, and it saddens me that others look down on those that choose to have it done by distance, not received a certificate or linage. Reeks of definate snobbery I say.

Just my 2p's worth

Love

Pam

[stef]

Hi Pam

My sentiments exactly ;D ;D which is why I feel guided to do the website I'm planning.....there are too many people around that are trying to make Reiki eletist.....

I believe that it should be there for all

I have no problems with people making money from Reiki....we all need to make a living somehow. What I have a problem with is these people saying that if you don't pay for it, it doesn't work.....I for one, know that it does.....I didn't pay for my attunements, but I know that they worked ;D ;D

You get from Reiki what you put into it, regardless of how much money you pay for it. I could have paid £200 for an attunement (if I had £200 ;D) and then done nothing with it but I chose a free attunement, and decided to work at it, learn all that I can, and pass on as much as I can to others.

love
stef